Marko Mikkilä – Non-Dual Philosophy and Mystical Experiences in Yoga

Marko Mikkilä is a PhD student in philosophy at Turku University in Finland. He is also a yogi and a practitioner of Eastern philosophy. Marko has been practicing yoga for many years and has a deep understanding of non-dual philosophy.

During this conversation Marko  delves into the concept of non-dualism and its application in everyday life. He explains how non-dualism can help individuals heal from trauma and find a sense of liberation. Overall, Marko emphasizes the importance of integrating awakening experiences into all aspects of life and the need for a philosophical framework to understand and navigate these experiences.

Key Takeaways:

  • Non-dualism is the belief that everything is made of one substance, often referred to as consciousness.
  • Non-dualism can be understood as the collapsing of the subject-object separation, where there is just perceiving happening.
  • Awakening to one’s essence nature involves recognizing that we are not identified with the body-mind and that trauma can be observed without clinging to it.
  • Non-dualism can help individuals let go of the story and experience uncomfortable feelings or sensations without attachment.

Native Yoga Toddcast: Exploring Non-Dualism and Awakening with Marko Mikkilä

Welcome to Native Yoga Toddcast, where we bring you inspirational speakers in the field of yoga, massage, bodywork, and beyond. In this episode, host Todd McLaughlin sits down with Marko Mikkilä, a yogi, philosopher, and PhD student from Finland. Together, they delve into the concept of non-dualism and its implications for personal growth and healing. Join us as we explore the depths of awakening and the power of presence.

Introduction: The Beauty of Non-Dualism

In this episode of Native Yoga Toddcast, we have the pleasure of speaking with Marko Mikkilä, a yogi, philosopher, and PhD student from Finland. Marko shares his journey into yoga and philosophy, and how he discovered the transformative power of non-dualism. He explains that non-dualism is the belief that everything is made of one substance, often referred to as consciousness. It is a worldview that challenges the notion of separation and invites us to see the interconnectedness of all things. Marko emphasizes that non-dualism is not just a philosophy, but a way of experiencing life.

The Path to Awakening: From Martial Arts to Yoga

Marko’s journey into yoga began in his 20s when he started practicing Japanese and Chinese martial arts. As he delved deeper into the internal practices of martial arts, he became interested in Eastern philosophy, particularly Taoism and Zen Buddhism. This led him to explore yoga as a means of deepening his understanding of the mind-body connection. Marko initially practiced Ashtanga yoga, but over time, he realized that the prescribed practice was creating more agitation in his nervous system. He began experimenting with different approaches, such as incorporating resting poses into his practice, and eventually found a more balanced and sustainable way of practicing.

The Non-Dual Movement: Awakening to Our True Nature

Marko introduces us to the concept of the non-dual movement, which encompasses various non-dual religious philosophies from around the world. These philosophies share the belief that there is no separation between self and other, and that everything is ultimately connected. Non-dualism can be understood in different ways, such as the idea that everything is made of consciousness or the collapsing of the subject-object separation. Marko explains that non-dualism can also be applied to our relationship with a higher power, where we recognize that we are not separate from the divine, but rather a part of it.

Mystical Experiences and the Awakening Process

Marko discusses the role of mystical experiences in the awakening process. He explains that mystical experiences can range from profound paradigm shifts to subtle moments of intuition or telepathy. These experiences can be transformative, but they are not the ultimate goal of awakening. The goal is to recognize our true nature as awareness or consciousness and to integrate this realization into all aspects of our lives. Marko emphasizes that awakening is not about seeking new experiences or powers, but about letting go of identification with the body-mind and embracing the present moment.

Healing Trauma through Non-Dualism

Marko explores how non-dualism can be applied to the healing of trauma. He explains that when we awaken to our true nature, we no longer identify with the body-mind, including the trauma stored within it. This shift in identification allows us to observe our traumatic experiences without getting caught up in them. We can approach trauma with a sense of detachment and acceptance, allowing it to move through us without resistance. Marko acknowledges that healing trauma is a complex process, but non-dualism can provide a framework for understanding and integrating these experiences.

The Integration of Awakening: From Mystical Experiences to Liberation

Marko highlights the importance of integrating awakening experiences into all spheres of life. He explains that the initial awakening is just the beginning of the journey, and the real challenge lies in embodying that awakening in our everyday lives. This integration involves letting go of attachment to experiences, pleasant or unpleasant, and recognizing the underlying awareness that remains constant amidst the ever-changing phenomena. Marko shares examples of awakened beings who have fully integrated their awakening and live ordinary lives without seeking power or recognition.

Conclusion: Embracing Non-Dualism for Personal Growth

In this thought-provoking conversation, Marko Mikkilä invites us to explore the depths of non-dualism and its potential for personal growth and healing. He emphasizes that non-dualism is not just a philosophy, but a way of experiencing life. By recognizing our true nature as awareness or consciousness, we can let go of identification with the body-mind and embrace the present moment. Marko’s insights remind us of the interconnectedness of all things and the transformative power of awakening. As we continue on our own journeys, may we embrace the beauty of non-dualism and cultivate a deeper sense of presence and connection in our lives.

Note: This article is based on a conversation with Marko Mikkilä on the Native Yoga Toddcast. All quotes are verbatim and direct from the transcript of the episode.

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Sifu Rubia ~ Prana & Qi – Two Paths to One Destination

I am happy to share this discussion I had with Tai Chi & Qi Gong teacher, Sufi Rubia. Rubia teaches a unique form of Tai Chi and we have the chance to share idea about the connections between the ancient practice of Qi Gong and Yoga. During this conversation she shares how she infuses Tai Chi movement into her daily living.

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Todd McLaughlin

Hello, welcome to Native Yoga Toddcast. Today I have a special guest named Sifu Rubia. And she is a Tai Chi & Qi Gong instructor. She also practices yoga. She’s based out of California. I recommend that you check out her website, taichiwellnwess.online. Check out her courses. She has Tai Chi courses, which are amazing, she gave me an opportunity to take her Tai Chi Fundamentals course of which I was able to participate and I enjoy immensely. Tai Chi is an incredible art form. I really think it goes well with yoga. She is also offering for those of you that would like to try a free course with her. There’s a promo code FREEQI. That’s for her course called Short QiGong Course. On that note, let’s go ahead and get started. I hope you enjoy this conversation as much as I did. I’m so delighted to have Sifu Rubia here with me today. Rubia, how are you doing?

Sifu Rubia

Hi, good. Good morning, or it’s afternoon for you. I’m well Todd, how are you?

Todd McLaughlin

I’m doing really well. I’m so excited to have a chance to speak with you. And I feel like I you said you just finished teaching a class. Is that true? Yeah, private class, private class. And you are a Tai Chi and Qi Gong practitioner and teacher?

Sifu Rubia

Correct. 

Todd McLaughlin

Wonderful. Can you help me understand the difference between Tai Chi and Chi Gong?

Sifu Rubia

Oh, well, Tai Chi is the martial expression of your Qigong practice, essentially. So Chi Gong is, for your Yogi listeners, is the equivalent to prana and Gong simply means to work, to cultivate, to toil. So a chi gong practice is just that. So you’re working on your lifeforce, your vital energy, through specific movements. There are many different system. Qigong systems out there that target different things. And so that’s the cultivation of your of your prana. And then the Tai Chi is the martial expression of that cultivation. And that’s a simple way to understand the difference between the two.

Todd McLaughlin

When you say martial expression, meaning the actual physical movements.

Sifu Rubia

Yeah, correct. So Tai Chi is also known as the Grand Ultimate for martial artists. And usually a typical path to your Tai Chi is a kung fu practice. So people evolve into their Tai Chi, but every Tai Chi movement has a martial expression to it. I don’t typically teach martial expressions just because the venue actually requires, often times, requires me to, to teach it more as a meditation, which it also is, so I teach it primarily as a moving meditation.

Todd McLaughlin

Nice. Can you give me some insight into how you got started? And what your first introduction to Tai Chi was?

Sifu Rubia

Sure, sure. The first Tai Chi class I went to I literally went and walked out? 

Todd McLaughlin

Have you felt weirded out by that first? Like, what was it like that? Sorry? What was it that that made you want to walk out like you were frustrated, or you thought it was weird or….

Sifu Rubia

All of that. It was a combination of a few things. And I remember the feeling very vividly. And by then I’d already had maybe a five year yoga practice. So I was familiar with mind body movement. But the Tai Chi just brought it to another level of being really, really present and uncomfortable. And I just, it was uncomfortable. And your ego gets in the way. And you know, like, there are layers to spiritual practice and your spiritual evolution. And that’s where I was at that moment in time. Struggling with with that part of myself, so yeah, I walked out of class. 15 years later, here we are, yes. 

Todd McLaughlin

Can I ask you where that was?

Sifu Rubia

Where was it? I think it was here in California. So I’m not from here. I’m from Canada. And from the East Coast, and the I was visiting or traveling here in California. And the person I was with was actually a teacher. And he brought me to class. And that’s how that started. And then it took me a couple of years after that before taking another class. Just because the experience was…. I was just so weirded out that I never even considered going back. And then the second time, I can’t even say that it’s stuck, but it wasn’t as uncomfortable. And then the third time is when it stuck.

Todd McLaughlin

Nice. What do you think about the third time that made it stick? What was it that caused you to feel that way?

Sifu Rubia

So I don’t know. I think I was in a much different place. I was, you know, a little more seasoned. I transcended my ego a little bit more and I was a little more open and receptive to the practice. So I guess that’s what made the difference. And I see that in people who show up to class. You always have to meet as a teacher, you know, you have to meet people where they are. It has to come from within. The first time I was not forced into a situation. But it wasn’t something I was willingly going into, I think that’s part of the breakdown that happened. So by the third time it was a willingness from me. So I have to answer that question. That’s really the difference.

Todd McLaughlin

What do you think intrigued you about it when you had that switch to where you were going from being pulled into class versus let me seek it out? You already had a yoga practice? So it sounds like you had cultivated a passion for movement and mind body awareness? What was it about tai chi that caused you to want to try it again? Was it that initial kind of pushback that you felt from being uncomfortable in that really focused space? Or do you think there was something about watching the movement and watching people practice that you that got you intrigued you? Can you put your finger on that?

Sifu Rubia

I love how you put that…. it’s actually the latter. So to really observe people doing tai chi, just watching them it’s meditative. So I think yes, that was definitely the pull back. Yeah. In that space. Yeah, I love that you brought that up.

Todd McLaughlin

Oh, that’s cool. Well, it’s funny, because the first time I saw Tai Chi was on a video. And I remember I was with a group of people. And I had a massage teacher that was really into tai chi, and he put the video on and I think, because the reaction of the other people in the room, they started to giggle and laugh a little bit, kind of like, what is this? What is this person doing? Because the person was moving so slow. And so I feel like my first impression got formed by the reaction of the others around me. I was intrigued. I thought, well, that looks really interesting? But I remember that everyone else is wanting to make fun so it didn’t let me form my own first initial experience. Then my second chance getting to come across Tai Chi, was in Thailand. I was studying Thai massage and my Thai massage teacher would go and teach Tai Chi. Really early in the morning in Chiang Mai, Thailand.  I remember going to a big soccer field. And more than 100 people would show up to practice. And I was blown away by the energy.   I thought it looked so easy, but then to try to actually follow was another story. I remember people saying, Wow, that guy, he’s a real Tai Chi master. Like he really knows what he’s doing. And so I’d sit back and just kind of watch him and but I still didn’t have that eye yet for being able to detect who the master at the art was. 

Can you? When you watch people practice? Is there something that you pick up on? When you watch their practice that gives you that indication? Obviously, you study it, and you teach it. So you have some understanding of these nuances. But can you clue me in a little bit as to what you look for?

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